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nobody. ([personal profile] erewhile) wrote in [community profile] etcelsior2014-06-20 11:09 pm

[mariachi band playing the sound of silence]


Welcome to [community profile] maskormenace's third
CR MEME!!


How does this work? It's easy!
    Make a thread for yourself or a comment with your character's name on it. Reply to that post with your filled out forms for organization's sake.
    Comment to other people! See if their answers fit anything you're looking for and if yours fit anything they are. Don't be intimidated, carpe diem, we like to party.
    Keep checking back! We strongly encourage you to track top-levels even, if possible. New characters may get accepted and post to this meme after today and we want to make sure everyone gets their fair shot.
    Play nice and have fun!
    ( THE BASICS )
    Name: Your character!
    Canon: Self-explanatory!!
    Character's (approximate) age: Or how old they appear.
    Character's powers: List and describe them!
    Is your character registered/will they be?: Why or why not! Maybe unsettled heroes will want to make connections with each other. Maybe registered heroes will want to team up. So on!
    Where does your character live?: What housing residence are they in? Meet your roommates if you haven't already, make plans!
    Are you looking for roommates?: If your character is currently housing alone, or planning to move out of their assigned housing. Is your character considering moving to one of our other cities? See who else might be doing the same!
    What is your character's job?: And are they sticking with it? Enjoying it? Coordinate with potential coworkers, employers, or patrons -- why not!

    ( THE DETAILS )
    RUNDOWN -- what are your character's skills, likes/dislikes, urgent needs?: What are they good at, what do they hate, what do they need (and so on) so that others know what they can offer you.
    What are your character's plans?: Either what they're doing as we speak or what you'd like to do with them!
    Does your character have a secret identity?: Since this can get confusing at times. Is your character a superhero with a public identity or do just a few people know who they are? List them, even!
    Is your character open for pairings?: Useful to know! Possibly.
    Are you open to having your character get hurt? Or, for villains, hurt others?: If yes, how much and in what circumstances?
    Is your character interested in teams?: Registered hero teams are very well-received around these parts, as you might guess. If yes, coordinate with possible teammates and see if you can put something together!
    What kind of plots are you after?: Let the brainstorming commence. This can be as vague, specific, or "big picture" as you'd like.
    Anything else?: If you have anything else to add!

    The copypasta box:
hackitude: head-tilt fake smile (and i'm floating in the sea of wrong)

[personal profile] hackitude 2014-06-21 11:56 am (UTC)(link)
Skye lives for this shit. By which I mean, INTRODUCING PEOPLE TO THE WONDERS OF THE INTERNET.
detriments: (145)

CHRISTINE STANFORD ( passion )

[personal profile] detriments 2014-06-21 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
( THE BASICS )
Name: Christine Stanford
Canon: Passion
Character's (approximate) age: Early 30s I'm guessing
Character's powers: Persuasion through vocal suggestion.
Is your character registered/will they be?: Registered.
Where does your character live?: Maurtia Falls #002.
Are you looking for roommates?: Nope, she very much enjoys living alone with Renee.
What is your character's job?: State Tourism Advertising.

( THE DETAILS )
RUNDOWN -- what are your character's skills, likes/dislikes, urgent needs?: Christine is basically a manipulative bitch who will treat you wonderfully and then stab you in the back if it suits her, or if you piss her off. She loves parties, socializing, being complimented, fashion, sex, and generally being better than everybody.
What are your character's plans?: She plans on making a new life in this universe, since she's dead back home. She'd like to move up on her job, get better living conditions, and have all the cash and luxuries in the world.
Does your character have a secret identity?: Does being two-faced count?
Is your character open for pairings?: Currently in a relationship with Renee, but it's been mutually discussed that she's eventually and inevitably going to cheat on her, so if that's something you're comfortable with-?
Are you open to having your character get hurt? Or, for villains, hurt others?: Sure to both, though she won't get her hands dirty! Let's plot.
Is your character interested in teams?: Not at all.
What kind of plots are you after?: Anything to do with manipulation, mentoring younger girls, one-upping and other dog eat dog world business shenanigans. She loves power and exercising it over other people.
Anything else?:

come to me little ones
humanistic: (think - so you know fuck alcohol)

cee! who plays only JOHN MITCHELL || BEING HUMAN

[personal profile] humanistic 2014-06-21 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
( THE BASICS )
Name: Mitchell (John Mitchell, just use Mitchell)
Canon: Being Human (UK)
Character's (approximate) age: 117
Character's powers: he's a vampire yo
Is your character registered/will they be?: no and no!
Where does your character live?: paying actual rent at #23 in Heropa
Are you looking for roommates?: not right now
What is your character's job?: assisted living caretaker

( THE DETAILS )
RUNDOWN -- what are your character's skills, likes/dislikes, urgent needs?:
Mitchell's supernatural skills are all vampire related (immortality, good reflexes, etc.), but when he's not sweaty and desperate, he can be pretty charming and friendly and arguably good with conversation and with people.

he likes TV, takeaway, old movies, and getting occasionally hammered. he has a strange relationship with his "old" life, before he went clean, i.e., sometimes he can wax nostalgic about how great some violent crime was before he remembers not to. oops. he also has a strange relationship with werewolves, in that his best friend is one but he distrusts them as a whole and can be kind of crappy toward them. he dislikes organization, being told what to do, doing any kind of household cleaning, and his own stupid blood addiction.

his urgent need is blood. he's totally on the wagon and stays off of it. for now.

What are your character's plans?: to stay as uninvolved as possible... but as a player I'm hoping to have him get more involved in villain stuff
Does your character have a secret identity?: nope!
Is your character open for pairings?: that's a bad idea unless you want to get eaten
Are you open to having your character get hurt? Or, for villains, hurt others?: yes and yes! we can work toward vampire attacks/feeding/whatever, he's not in a place for that yet but he def could be (and i want that!)
Is your character interested in teams?: no
What kind of plots are you after?:
honestly I'm after anything! as I said above, I'm wanting to turn him toward Doing Bad Deeds, because it's super easy for him to go in that direction. after his stint in jail, he's pretty bitter, especially towards humanity and the government, so this would be a good time to start him down that road. I just don't know where to start with it! he makes a bad leader/super villain, but a great crazy vampire guy that you can manipulate.

that said, though, I like to play the long game, so this won't be happening overnight--so anything else would be cool too!

Anything else?:


thanks!!
thanatophobias: (082)

COLE SEAR ( the sixth sense )

[personal profile] thanatophobias 2014-06-21 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
( THE BASICS )
Name: Cole Sear
Canon: The Sixth Sense
Character's (approximate) age: Nine years old, no idea when his birthday is woop
Character's powers: Seeing and communicating with ghosts.
Is your character registered/will they be?: Registered
Where does your character live?: Heropa, #006
Are you looking for roommates?: House is full!
What is your character's job?: Student, currently on summer break! Yeah!

( THE DETAILS )
RUNDOWN -- what are your character's skills, likes/dislikes, urgent needs?: Cole's generally kept to himself, though his time in C&C and MoM has helped him grow a little out of that. He's blunt, curious, from the 90s, and generally a little jaded about life already, though he's still a child nonetheless. His best friend is a talking dog. ... he didn't even have friends before coming here.
What are your character's plans?: Live his life, or something. He's also better off in MoM than he was back home; he just wishes his mother were here with him.
Does your character have a secret identity?: Nope.
Is your character open for pairings?: is your character a nine year old girl
Are you open to having your character get hurt? Or, for villains, hurt others?: Open, sure thing! Just nothing too traumatizing. Or more traumatizing than he's already used to, doip.
Is your character interested in teams?: Not just yet. Maybe in the future!
What kind of plots are you after?: omg i don't even know i'm very go with the flow SO I'M OPEN TO IDEAS
Anything else?:

[personal profile] notmymom 2014-06-21 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
perfect she's hired!
yatagarasu: (STEALTH ☄ smile for the security cam)

Auste

[personal profile] yatagarasu 2014-06-21 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
( THE BASICS )
Name: Kay Faraday
Canon: Ace Attorney
Character's age: 17
Character's powers: She can summon, command and talk to crows - and actually, any bird of the same family but crows are always best. And, she can imitate any sound or voice she hears perfectly as long as she hears it live and not over the network or on TV or through a recording.
Is your character registered/will they be?: Registered!
Where does your character live?: Residence #007, baby.
Are you looking for roommates?: She's got roomies, it's all good.
What is your character's job?: Student/juror-in-training at teen court but I imagine she'd be under probation after being falsely accused of robbing the courthouse.

( THE DETAILS )
RUNDOWN -- what are your character's skills, likes/dislikes, urgent needs?: Apart from her powers, Kay is physically well-equipped - she can run and jump from a reasonable height and land properly. She can probably be taught how to operate complex gadgets because she uses Little Thief, a device she always carries on hand to replicate crime scenes (or plan heists HAHAHA) and create holograms of stuff and people. It's fun. Um, she's not super book smart but she is resourceful and clever...when she's not impulsive or poking too much fun at something. And of course she is an Ace Assistant (TM) which means she's helpful (especially to lawyers) and loves to brighten things up and poke fun at everything and let her imagination run away with her. Despite her good intentions she can certainly be impulsive and annoying and downright reckless. SHE HAS A SENSE OF JUSTICE and wants to steal (or rather, find) the truth.
What are your character's plans?: Just try to move on after being falsely accused of robbery and spending some jail time, hang around the lawyers she knows (she was Edgeworth's assistant back home and she has no intention of letting go of the position), jog and train with Akihiko to become stronger, pass notes with Eiko in class, work on her powers, and constantly dig up information in her relentless pursuit of the truth. STEALING THE TRUTH WHOO YEAH. Next month she will be next in line for Pitch's nightmare fiesta. And and obviously she will be paintball-ing.
Does your character have a secret identity?: PSH NO she has no qualms about publicly declaring herself as the Great Thief Yatagarasu. But I suppose what many people don't know about her is that she actually has some daddy issues and a pretty traumatic past. Not that she'd keep it a secret if asked.
Is your character open for pairings?: UHHHH her number one priority is the truth and investigating junk but maybe with time she might start liking a guy.
Are you open to having your character get hurt? Or, for villains, hurt others?: SHE HAS ALREADY GOTTEN HURT A FEW TIMES so why not.
Is your character interested in teams?: Yup!
What kind of plots are you after?: Anything! Silly girly shenanigans, friendship times, banter, not-so-friendly banter, work things because she does work in court, bugging people, annoying people, ACTION/ADVENTURE/SAVING PEOPLE because again Kay may be brave but her bravery can become recklessness if not checked, power things (I want her to imitate more people and send crows after people and ehhh ALL THE POWERS) and WELL I JUST THROW HER AT PEOPLE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
Anything else?: I backtag like a bawss. Oh, and you can add me at [plurk.com profile] auste for plotting.

Edited 2014-06-21 12:26 (UTC)
valr: (shoving money)

[personal profile] valr 2014-06-21 12:32 pm (UTC)(link)
hey mitchell do you wanna hang out with a valkyrie
Edited (oh for fucks sake) 2014-06-21 12:33 (UTC)
celestialpervert: (Heh/amused profile)

[personal profile] celestialpervert 2014-06-21 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Hallo!

No worries, I understand internet woes completely. Dastardly connections! You do? Horray! I was worried Bal was just annoying the hell out of everyone. I'd love that! I have plottings for an open log for Balthazar later next week if you're interested. Feel free to throw Joel at him then.
yatagarasu: (INTERESTED ☄ where are your valuables)

[personal profile] yatagarasu 2014-06-21 12:40 pm (UTC)(link)
HI ROOMIE...I kind of want roomie things and Kay would get along with Loki, I think
yatagarasu: (RAVEN ☄ in the dark of the night)

[personal profile] yatagarasu 2014-06-21 12:43 pm (UTC)(link)
So I'm amused because here we have the Penguin, and we have this girl who is pretty much the crow whisperer because of her powers.

I KINDA WANT TO SEE HOW THIS TURNS OUT.
yatagarasu: (LITTLE THIEF ☄ it's super-effective)

[personal profile] yatagarasu 2014-06-21 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
FRIENDSHIP!!!
yatagarasu: (CHEERY ☄ what daddy issues)

[personal profile] yatagarasu 2014-06-21 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Kay is so on that post. And I really want them to hang out more often. If Hange wants to see Kay's powers in action WE CAN ARRANGE THAT.
fingerbang: (SHE'S BEAUTY SHE'S GRACE)

LEAH

[personal profile] fingerbang 2014-06-21 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
( THE BASICS )
Name: Lust
Canon: Fullmetal Alchemist
Character's (approximate) age: like 300 or something, physically late twenties/early thirties
Character's powers: extreme regeneration home edition, unlimited fingerblade works
Is your character registered/will they be?: yes!
Where does your character live?: residence numbah 13 in Heropa
Are you looking for roommates?: we're full up! I have been thinking of having her move to Nonah or De Chima in the nebulous future, but she'd totally be in individual housing though let's be real who the fuck wants to live with this
What is your character's job?: barber.... yes.... i know...

( THE DETAILS )
RUNDOWN -- what are your character's skills, likes/dislikes, urgent needs?: She's a functionally immortal killing machine and she's good at basically everything that entails! Like threatening small children, and breaking into people's houses, and arson... yeah her skill set isn't very marketable. As mentioned directly below, she's going to be playing nice for the time being, but even with that and three years in-game taken into consideration she's a pretty reprehensible person. She's v businesslike and enjoys nothing more than being actively involved in advancing a plan! She hates to lose! She's not particularly misanthropic herself, since she sees human ~foolishness~ as a sad but extremely useful tool, but very much appreciates finding nonhumans in the city who are! Sometimes she watches WWII documentaries for fun!
What are your character's plans?: To actually go along with this whole hero thing until she's got a better idea of what the Porter system here entails, and make nice with as many interesting people as she can before her act goes way south. She's also very interested in the military and finding out what they're all about, since horribly corrupt governmental systems that use people with superpowers for their own benefit are kind of her jam. And she's very curious about what the resurrection rules are here but doesn't want to get her own hands dirty so if there's any opportunity for her to help enable one PC to murder another she'd be all up on that.

ALSO since, since the last time this meme came around, the ~precious sacrifice~ count has gone up from one to three, she's trying to formulate some kind of plan wrt keeping track of them! She has been in-play for a really, really long time and done this song and dance before, and last time it kind of ended up in her stabbing an Ed in an alley, which is maybe not an ideal outcome, plus after like five years she's equipped with a lot more knowledge vis a vis whether it matters in the grand scheme of Father's plan if anyone kills them at all, and if it's therefore worth the aggravation of protecting them. (Spoilers: it probably doesn't and isn't.) Her ultimate plan remains to return to Amestris alive and assist in the Promised Day, which since the relocation to this universe is now an actual feasible possibility in her mind, and she's willing to play possum for as long as it takes to achieve that goal.
Does your character have a secret identity?: god no but sometimes she goes by pseudonyms when she's interacting with civilians?? like Seline, thanks for that Edgeworth you're a peach
Is your character open for pairings?: i mean she's incapable of emotional attachment except as a ruse to obtain information and stabbed the last guy she dated through the spine but if that's not an obstacle yeah let's do this
Are you open to having your character get hurt? Or, for villains, hurt others?: Yes to both! She regenerates from most all injuries so damage, no matter how grievous, shouldn't be a big thing. However, she's got to have some kind of reason for hurting a PC, even if that's "holy shit just stop talking you are the worst."
Is your character interested in teams?: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA okay but despite her rude asshole front, if she's actually interested in something she'll cooperate relatively easily! Lust is a very goal-driven character and hates to be inactive, so that can override her disdain for basically everyone if the task at hand is sufficiently horrible.
What kind of plots are you after?: Anything that allows her to be an actively shady asshole is golden, and so is anything that involves networking with similarly terrible people, but I cannot tell a lie, stupid plots with characters who take themselves very seriously are the love of my life. The fact that she's still on good behavior should also make her more accessible, at least for the time being! Basically, give me everything. Let's do dumb housemate logs where she fucks up making toast and tries to walk out of the house at five in the morning without addressing the billowing smoke coming from the kitchen. Have her accidentally fuck your character's hair up and resort to giving them an undercut they didn't ask for. Hit her with an ice cream truck. It's not the plot Gotham needs but it's the plot Gotham deserves.
Anything else?: Homunculi's bodies are based around a philosopher's stone, which in turn is composed of thousands of tortured human souls! This gives them a really strong inhuman presence that means basically anyone with energyreading abilities, in canon, is like "JESUS CHRIST WHAT IS THAT GET IN THE CAR" and that can always be a fun icebreaker. Animals are also usually freaked out by them, and I guess mindreaders would be able to pick up on the thousands of screaming human consciousnesses? So there's that.
celestialpervert: (haters to the left)

[personal profile] celestialpervert 2014-06-21 12:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I heard the word stealing. Balthazar isn't so concerned with the government BUT he likes gaining favors and can possibly acquire or require info he he decides to pursue a life of theft.

But also, wanna meet an angel, y/y?
celestialpervert: (Heh/amused profile)

[personal profile] celestialpervert 2014-06-21 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
HEY ROOMIE, WANT SOME SHENANIGANS?
yatagarasu: (PRIDE ☄ achievement unlocked!)

[personal profile] yatagarasu 2014-06-21 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
...but what if Ed was given a milkshake

WHAT THEN

OH I'm offering this happy bundle who is older than Ed but acts younger than he is to be a friend and possibly tell him all about her powers because she's chill with that.
celestialpervert: (thief eh/)

[personal profile] celestialpervert 2014-06-21 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
*HEADBUTTS*
yatagarasu: (STEAL ☄ it's totally truth okay)

[personal profile] yatagarasu 2014-06-21 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
/COMMENTS HERE but I want CR with both Godot and Trucy. Trucy and Kay can be friends and swap embarrassing stories about lawyers and pick people's pockets before giving them their stuff back, and Kay can try to copy all of Godot's coffeenese and mangle them up and WELL SHE'S TECHNICALLY TROUBLED.
yatagarasu: (EVIDENCE ☄ brb hammerspace)

[personal profile] yatagarasu 2014-06-21 12:57 pm (UTC)(link)
The Young Avengers, you say...

Kay wanted to learn how to fight and expressed that sentiment over the network before she was thrown in jail (wrongly), and if she finds out that there's a thing for young superheroes SHE WOULD WANT IN.

...if they'll take a "noble thief". I'd like them to be friends, in any case, since Kay may not be a private detective but she "steals the truth"...
yatagarasu: (Default)

[personal profile] yatagarasu 2014-06-21 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
After their stint during the train crash, I'd love for Kay to meet Isaac again.
yatagarasu: (DEAD ☄ so whodunnit exactly?)

[personal profile] yatagarasu 2014-06-21 01:00 pm (UTC)(link)
YES please convince Kay she's just getting herself into more trouble (especially after Yomiel's crime spree)
ironbuttmonkey: (Default)

Kiva

[personal profile] ironbuttmonkey 2014-06-21 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
( THE BASICS )
Name: Uzu Sanageyama
Canon: Kill la Kill
Character's (approximate) age: 18
Character's powers: Goku Uniform, Mind's eye, Life Fiber modifier
Is your character registered/will they be?: Yes!
Where does your character live?: Heropa no.29
Are you looking for roommates?: Nope! We have a full house already.
What is your character's job?: He is an assistant coach for a pre-teen T-ball team.

( THE DETAILS )
RUNDOWN -- what are your character's skills, likes/dislikes, urgent needs?:
Sanageyama is all about fighting. He's an excellent fighter, he's well trained in swordsmanship, he...literally all he can do is fight ok. It's all he's good for, but he's good at it. But he's also really, really good at preparing meals involving his favorite food ever but oddly enough if you ask him to make anything without it he'll fuck it up horrendously. He has experience playing a leader role since he used to run the largest delinquent gang in Japan. Also his mind's eye lets him read people's emotional state and predict their movements before they actually preform them. God I dunno what else he's kind of useless, I GUESS SPORTS?? he can sport the sports. I stand by him not actually knowing anything about sports except for how to disqualify people, but since he's a very athletic kinda guy he'd probably be good at most sports once he has the rules down.

Mostly he's just a very sociable extrovert who likes hanging out with whoever will put up with him.

What are your character's plans?:
PEOPLE FIGHT A LOT and people want to try out their powers but that's dangerous to do in the city considering innocent people could get caught up in that and hurt. He's actually considering seeing if there's interest for pooling together some resources to put together a place for imports to spar, fight and try out their powers in a contained environment where they don't have to worry about letting loose.

Does your character have a secret identity?:
Nope!

Is your character open for pairings?:
Nah.

Are you open to having your character get hurt? Or, for villains, hurt others?:
LMAO SO MUCH he's exactly the kind of person to recklessly headbutt someone who is out of his league so if you need a buttmonkey here's your dude.

Is your character interested in teams?:
He is already on a team so he's good.

What kind of plots are you after?:
I have something in mind for a plot sometime down the line which will involve rampaging out of control shounens and super sadness involving his new power, but that won't be for a while. Until then, I'm just looking to build CR! So anything works - hang out with him, fight him, antagonize him, he's good for it all.

Anything else?:
nope
yatagarasu: (SMIRK ☄ told you I'd give it back)

[personal profile] yatagarasu 2014-06-21 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
SO THIS GIRL IS FRIENDS WITH BARNABY NOW and she assisted Edgeworth back home AND her dad is dead.

I tagged your post too but yeah. SHE HASN'T HAD A DAD FOR SEVEN YEARS.
glassinine: (got a big cock)

Hope and Edgeworth

[personal profile] glassinine 2014-06-21 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
( THE BASICS )
Name: Miles Edgeworth
Canon: Ace Attorney
Character's (approximate) age: 34
Character's powers: Guilt manipulation! Either forcing guilt on people or alleviating it. He has been using the one power more than the other. (Hint: it's the one that makes people feel better)
Is your character registered/will they be?: Yes! Reluctantly, though, and he'll strongly discourage others from registering and will indeed try to direct them to services to make it so that they're not forced to make the choice.
Where does your character live?: Residence 21!
Are you looking for roommates?: Non!
What is your character's job?: Lawyerrrr. Prosecutor, to be more precise.

( THE DETAILS )
RUNDOWN -- what are your character's skills, likes/dislikes, urgent needs?: Edgeworth is a very good lawyer who's happiest when he's putting his skills to good use helping and supporting others. Don't be fooled by his brusque and haughty demeanor - he's a very nice, if also absurdly shy and awkward, person - just one with a bad temper and a somewhat absent sense of humor. Basically he seems terrifying but is a great big nervous loser. Who's also really loud and shouty and nosy.
What are your character's plans?: Continuing to be the best prosecutor he can be! And also setting up a fund to support Imports, and probably providing career counseling services so that people can get new jobs if they get fired for not registering.
Does your character have a secret identity?: Nope!
Is your character open for pairings?: You don't want this, he's a loser
Are you open to having your character get hurt? Or, for villains, hurt others?: Yeah, sure! As always, I want to walk a balance, since it's never good for CR when it's just a neverending string of your character getting hurt, but I adore having him get into trouble.
Is your character interested in teams?: Yeah, teams that operate under their own name and obey the law
What kind of plots are you after?: Well, I'd love to have him helping people with legal matters - we have lots of great defense attorneys in game, so he wouldn't represent anyone in court, but helping someone write a will or adopt someone or forge a marriage contract or write a contract in general? Heck yes!

I would also love to forge some positive CR, since I do love negative CR but I seem to have an awful lot of it. So I guess I'm particularly interested in CR with people who don't automatically react badly to authority...Not that anti-authoritarian types are bad! Just that in general I adore CR where people will take a more nuanced view of his role and his personality rather than disliking what he represents.

Aaaand if anyone needs to be prosecuted or persecuted this is your guy. People who've been falsely accused? People who have been rightly accused? Villains who want someone nosy and relentless on their trail? Hit me up!
Anything else?:

his life
Edited 2014-06-21 13:02 (UTC)
yatagarasu: totes stealing that line from apollo (STANCE ☄ gotcha)

[personal profile] yatagarasu 2014-06-21 01:06 pm (UTC)(link)
...so, this little girl he's chatted with a bit...does he want an assistant when he does his lawyer thing.

I kind of want her to be like an all-purpose assistant figure since she's surrounded by lawyers anyway, even in her own cast (the only member so far to have never ever been a lawyer, oops)